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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

The long-term recovery will be a gradual process, and, as the Gillies review revealed and emphasised, there are serious governance issues that need to be resolved. The new leadership team is working on that and is driving forward a credible strategic plan. We need to achieve a position of permanency in relation to both leadership and financial sustainability, and the Government is very focused on seeing that happen—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

No.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

I absolutely appreciate that there is a need for further dialogue on that point. I heard the previous discussion. I am, and ministers are, particularly interested in that discussion and in seeking the clarity that the committee is also seeking. I can state clearly that we will be following up on the dialogue that you had this morning and seeking further clarity, as you would expect.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

I have not been party to those discussions, so it is not for me to comment on it. I appreciate that, if it was a yes or no, that might be how you would interpret it, but perhaps there is further dialogue about what more the Funding Council requires and where it would like to engage more. It is not for me to involve myself—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

Can you let my official answer the question, please?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

My understanding is that that is a consideration for the SFC.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

As I emphasised in my answer to a supplementary question in yesterday’s topical question time, we believe and understand that it is important to have campuses in communities for reasons relating to accessibility and employment, and for people to have education on their doorstep in the community, which I also emphasised in my opening remarks. As you would expect, the SFC is engaged on these specific issues with the institutions that might be considering such measures.

It is not for me to interfere in particular areas. All I will say is that we are engaging collaboratively with the SFC on those points of consideration. We also take the position at a generic level that having campuses in communities is important in allowing young people and others to access education in their locality and for the employment that those institutions bring. We want all public assets to be fully utilised and to provide value for money, but that needs to be led by local choices and it must have regard to cross-campus collaboration.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

The important thing to emphasise, as I have already touched on, is that we value the different campuses in communities and what they bring. We want to continue to support the college sector and what it offers. We need to make sure that there is cross-campus collaboration, but the campuses have a positive impact in the places that they are in. It is important that we emphasise that and that we appreciate their local impact on accessibility, employment and responding to local need. That is not something to think of as anything but a situation—[Interruption.] Sorry, I am a bit distracted by people coming into the room.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

There is a necessity to think on a regional basis. In this role, I am looking forward to supporting regional initiatives and will seek to be responsive—in ways that I, and the Scottish Government, can be—to support skills development.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Ben Macpherson

I listened to the earlier exchange between Mr Briggs and the SFC on clawback, and I know that there has been an interest in that issue throughout the pre-budget scrutiny. I note and will consider the points that Mr Greer has raised. I am not going to say any more on it just now, but I will state as a point of fact that there is a piece of primary legislation going through Parliament at the moment that is considering governance. I will leave it at that.