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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 27 March 2026
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of NHS National Services Scotland”; and “Personal protective equipment”

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

The Convener

Thank you very much, Auditor General. I want to press ahead straight away with questions. I turn to my right, to Sharon Dowey.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of NHS National Services Scotland”; and “Personal protective equipment”

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

The Convener

Thank you. Some of us might describe it as excess profiteering from a global pandemic.

My next question is not designed to catch you out. My eye was drawn to a line that says that the auditor reported that the audit work did not find

“any issues with the quality of goods procured or the companies contracted.”

The report goes on to talk about cost overruns.

I will not always rely on the media for my sources, but I was struck by a story that the Sunday Mail ran—the weekend after the report came out, I think—which included the following figures:

“We can reveal that millions of masks and goggles were binned after a rush to secure vital PPE as Covid struck”,

including

“90,000 respirator valve masks made by US firm Medline ... Three million pairs of goggles lenses and frames from US company Tiger Medical Products ... 66,000 face masks from Dumfries-based Alpha Solway—some of which were poorly made”,

and

“700 charity donated masks it was feared were made at forced-labour camps in China.”

What was your methodology, and how did you arrive at a point where you could make the categorical statement that you make in the report?

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

The Convener (Richard Leonard)

I welcome everybody to the Public Audit Committee’s eighth meeting in this session of Parliament. I remind witnesses, staff and members to respect rules on social distancing and that, if they are moving around or entering or leaving the room, they should wear a face covering.

Agenda item 1 is a decision on whether to take business in private. Do members agree to take items 4, 5 and 6 in private.

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Crofting Commission”

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

The Convener

Thank you, Auditor General.

If Pat Kenny or Graeme Greenhill wants to come in at any point, they should please type R in the chat function and I will bring them in. I am sure that the Auditor General will prompt them to come in as well.

Some fairly serious conclusions are reached in the report, which is hard hitting and, frankly, critical of the way in which the Crofting Commission is being run and governed. The report points to significant weaknesses in the commission’s leadership and governance arrangements, so I am bound to ask what the accounting officer in the Crofting Commission has been up to.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Crofting Commission”

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

The Convener

Thank you. We will explore the dynamics of the interaction between the Scottish Government, the sponsor division, the executive—including the accountable officer and the senior team—and the board. Auditor General, perhaps you can clarify my understanding: the board is a hybrid, with three members of the commission appointed by the Scottish Government and six being elected. Is that correct? I presume, therefore, that there are different lines of accountability even within the commission itself.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Crofting Commission”

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

The Convener

Thank you, Mr Kenny. Craig Hoy has some questions to develop that line of inquiry.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Crofting Commission”

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

The Convener

I will summarise what has been said so far. The report was published by Audit Scotland on 13 October. We are meeting on 4 November—22 days later—and the message that is coming from Mr Kenny is that all those issues have been addressed and rectified. Is that correct?

Public Audit Committee

“Community justice: Sustainable alternatives to custody”

Meeting date: 28 October 2021

The Convener

Craig Hoy has questions to probe into that area a bit more.

Public Audit Committee

“Covid-19 vaccination programme”

Meeting date: 28 October 2021

The Convener

We will look forward to that.

Will you confirm whether the costings in the briefing cover the booster vaccination programme that has already started for some categories of the population? Do you have any sense of the projected costs for vaccination programmes in future years? Has your work on this year’s vaccination programme given you any sense of where things are with the booster programme and what any possible future vaccination programme might look like or what it might cost?

Public Audit Committee

“Covid-19 vaccination programme”

Meeting date: 28 October 2021

The Convener

That is helpful. Are you saying that the figure does not include the cost of the booster programme? Have I picked that up correctly?