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Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 25 November 2021
Richard Leonard
Good morning. I welcome everyone to the ninth meeting of the Public Audit Committee in the sixth session of the Parliament. Before we begin, I remind members, witnesses and members of staff that the Parliament’s social distancing rules are in force. If you are moving around, leaving or entering the room, please wear a face covering.
Our first item of business is to agree to take items 3 and 4 in private. Are we agreed?
Members indicated agreement.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 25 November 2021
Richard Leonard
David, do you want to introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about the organisation that you represent?
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 25 November 2021
Richard Leonard
I am conscious of time and I want to move things on a bit. We are exploring some important areas and we want to hear about your experiences and views, as well as any lessons that can be drawn from what has been happening. Colin Beattie has a series of questions on that.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 November 2021
Richard Leonard
Did your team look at communications between the sponsor division and the commission, including the board, in order to understand what that relationship was like? Were you able to amass any evidence that pointed to relationships—or lack of relationships—that rang alarm bells?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 November 2021
Richard Leonard
In the previous session, the Public Audit and Post-legislative Scrutiny Committee raised concerns about the adequacy of sponsorship arrangements between the Scottish Government and public bodies, especially non-departmental public bodies. I think that those arrangements are set out very clearly in the Scottish public finance manual. Accountable officers in organisations, as well as, I presume, board members in those organisations, should receive some training on, or be led to some understanding of, their roles and responsibilities and what sponsorship arrangements should look like. What is your sense of that? To what extent has that happened in the past and is it happening now?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 November 2021
Richard Leonard
Mr Beattie has a series of questions that will probe governance and the different areas of responsibility.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 November 2021
Richard Leonard
We are drawing towards the end of the evidence session. I will bring in Sharon Dowey shortly.
Mr Kenny mentioned the hopefulness that comes with the commissioning of an external consultant’s report. However, did I not read that there was a consultant’s report in 2016 that looked into the Crofting Commission? The question that that provokes is to what extent there is a similarity between the findings of the consultants in their 2016 report and what Deloitte uncovered in 2020-21. Is the Crofting Commission just dealing with the same issues? Are you as auditors having to deal with the same issues? Are we as the Public Audit Committee of the Scottish Parliament having to deal with the same issues over and over again?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 November 2021
Richard Leonard
Craig Hoy has some questions about the PPE contracts and how they were experienced, particularly by people on the front line.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 November 2021
Richard Leonard
That would be helpful.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 November 2021
Richard Leonard
With that, I thank the Auditor General, Ashleigh Madjitey, who is with us in the committee room, and Carole Grant, who joined us remotely, for some robust and illuminating evidence. It is greatly appreciated.
11:16 Meeting continued in private until 11:37.