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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 27 March 2026
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Richard Leonard

Absolutely.

On that note, I will draw this session to a close. I thank Helen Fogarty and David Wallace, from Social Security Scotland, and Stephen Kerr, Kevin Stevens and the director general for communities, from the Scottish Government. Thank you for giving us the full answers that we were looking for on a range of questions. We will consider what next steps we might want to take as a committee, and we will inform you of those in due course.

Because we are going to change over witnesses, I will suspend the meeting for five minutes.

11:04 Meeting suspended.  

11:09 On resuming—  

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Scotland’s colleges 2025”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Richard Leonard

Welcome back, everyone. Agenda item 3 is consideration of the Auditor General’s briefing, “Scotland’s colleges 2025”. I am very pleased that we are joined this morning by the Auditor General, Stephen Boyle. Good morning, Auditor General. Mr Boyle is accompanied by Derek Hoy, who is a senior manager at Audit Scotland, and Ray Buist, who is an audit manager at Audit Scotland, who both worked on the briefing.

Before we put some questions to you, Auditor General, I invite you to make an opening statement.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Scotland’s colleges 2025”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed for that introduction. I turn straight away to the deputy convener, Jamie Greene, who has some questions to put to you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Scotland’s colleges 2025”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much. I will move straight along and invite Graham Simpson to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Richard Leonard

I am sorry, but I am asking about the report that we are discussing this morning. Do you accept the recommendations and findings of this report?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Richard Leonard

You mentioned in your opening statement that you are pleased with the key messages in the report.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Scotland’s colleges 2025”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Richard Leonard

Does the Scottish Funding Council need more powers and greater sanctions to stop colleges getting themselves into financial difficulties? Would that work?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Scotland’s colleges 2025”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Richard Leonard

The job evaluation of non-teaching staff came up earlier, as it has come up almost every year when we have had similar evidence sessions or looked at particular colleges, because it is a long-standing and outstanding piece of unfinished business. You mentioned money transferring to colleges and then transferring back to the Scottish Government. My understanding is that the Scottish Government has underwritten the outcomes of the job evaluation. Is that your understanding, too?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Richard Leonard

Good morning, and welcome, everyone, to the 30th meeting in 2025 of the Public Audit Committee.

Under agenda item 1, members of the committee are to consider whether to take agenda items 4 to 8 in private. Do members agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Richard Leonard

Agenda item 2 is further consideration of the Auditor General for Scotland’s report on adult disability payment. I am very pleased to welcome, from the Scottish Government, Miriam Craven, the director general for communities; Stephen Kerr, the director for social security; and Kevin Stevens, the head of strategic and programme finance for social security. I am also very pleased to welcome, from Social Security Scotland, David Wallace, the chief executive, and Helen Fogarty, the head of performance, analysis and strategy.

We have some questions to put to you, but, before we get to those questions, I ask Miriam Craven to make a short opening statement.