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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

There have been differences of opinion in the evidence that we have taken thus far. Some people feel strongly that, if the proposed new law were to be introduced, it would drive activity underground. As a consequence, that could make the environment less safe and more violent for those who are involved in the selling of sex. That is pretty concerning to hear. I accept the point that others have made, which is that we can never make the environment truly safe. I understand that. Some say that the evidence suggests that the approach that the bill advocates would not lead to an upturn in violent behaviour, but we have heard that it would. Have you a perspective on the likely outcome?

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

It is clear that there is a perception of that risk, though. Is that something that your officers will hear when engaging with those involved in the selling of sex? Will they have heard that this change is coming in, and would they be concerned about that?

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

With respect, I do not think that “I hope so” would be your answer to the question I was asking. I asked whether your officers hear from those involved in the selling of sex about whether, if this change comes in—

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Do others have a perspective on the likelihood of the proposed changes making the environment more dangerous?

I seems that no one has such a perspective. That is okay.

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Again, that is useful to understand. Your submission goes on to say:

“we remain committed to driving further efficiencies in our own activities.”

Can you set out at this stage what that might mean? Is there a quantifiable figure at the moment, or will it emerge down the line?

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

That, too, is helpful to understand. The committee would be interested in hearing what further steps are taken in that regard as that emerges.

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

The comparison is with the other UK authorities.

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

It might be worth us looking into that a lot further.

What is the cost to the Police Authority of the increased national insurance contributions? I asked Police Scotland a similar question.

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Certainly. This will be my final one. Only Police Scotland responded to the point about whether there should be a statutory right for people involved in selling sex to access support services. Everyone on the panel is entitled to answer, of course, but I put my question to Detective Superintendent Bertram in particular. What should such support look like?

We heard evidence that experience of such changes in Sweden did not result in an improved relationship between those selling sex and the police there, but that the Irish experience was different and the change has improved that interaction. How would the situation here link to those experiences?

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

What sort of support should there be?