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Criminal Justice Committee Draft
Meeting date: 5 November 2025
Jamie Hepburn
This might be a difficult question to answer, but in circumstances in which section 46 of the 1982 act did not exist, is it likely that there would have been enough grounds for those prosecutions still to have proceeded?
Criminal Justice Committee Draft
Meeting date: 5 November 2025
Jamie Hepburn
That is useful to understand.
Your submission has been helpful, and I thank you for sending it to us. You have also touched on this point in some of your responses thus far, chief constable. One section of your submission discusses “emerging issues”, and I want to go through a few of those that you have set out. I appreciate that you might not have an answer as to the specific costs, so you might have to come back to us on that.
You noted the
“anti-immigration protests focusing on hotels”.
I do not know whether there is a way of working out what the costs of that to Police Scotland have been.
You also mention having to police
“the proscription by the UK Government of ‘Palestine Action Group’.”
Again, I do not know whether you have a figure for the cost of that to Police Scotland.
There was also operation roll 2 for the visit of President Trump. You mention
“the significant demand placed upon policing in Scotland”,
which we would all understand would be the result of such a visit. What was the cost of that?
11:30Criminal Justice Committee Draft
Meeting date: 5 November 2025
Jamie Hepburn
It would be useful to have the costs broken down for each of those areas.
I think that you have answered the question. In effect, you just have to deal with those issues within the budgetary envelope. It is not as though you can forecast or plan for that. What is the operating assumption at the start of any financial year for that type of activity?
Criminal Justice Committee Draft
Meeting date: 5 November 2025
Jamie Hepburn
That would be useful in helping our understanding.
There are two ways of looking at the issue. Given the basis on which cases are operating at the moment, the obvious question might be: what would be the purpose of repealing section 46 of the 1982 act? Maybe that gets to the heart of Sharon Dowey’s question about whether it is still useful to have that provision as part of what we might call the armoury that is available for use in investigations. Alternatively, if it is not being used, why should we keep it on the statute book? What is your perspective on that?
Criminal Justice Committee Draft
Meeting date: 5 November 2025
Jamie Hepburn
Do you dismiss the notion that such a change could increase the risk of violence against those involved in selling sex? That is the fundamental question—would it increase that likelihood?
Criminal Justice Committee Draft
Meeting date: 5 November 2025
Jamie Hepburn
That is useful clarification and is helpful to understand.
The chair of the authority has given an indication of how some of the savings have been achieved. The submission talks about the savings delivered during this year amounting to around £300,000. Is that against the budget of £5.5 million—meaning that expenditure will be £5.2 million—or would the budget otherwise have been £5.8 million?
Criminal Justice Committee Draft
Meeting date: 5 November 2025
Jamie Hepburn
I do not know whether other witnesses have a perspective on what that support should look like.
Criminal Justice Committee Draft
Meeting date: 5 November 2025
Jamie Hepburn
The fundamental point is that there were two prosecutions. You said that that would probably have been because there were other associated charges.
Criminal Justice Committee Draft
Meeting date: 5 November 2025
Jamie Hepburn
A lot of the ground that I hoped to touch on has been covered already. I will focus on the proposed repeal of section 46 of the Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982.
It was instructive to hear from Detective Superintendent Bertram that, in effect—I am paraphrasing his evidence—Police Scotland is not currently operating cases under that section. The figures that Dr Forbes has provided certainly seem to substantiate that. Just to drill into those a little further, Dr Forbes, you mentioned that there were 46 charges in 10 cases during the period from April 2020 until August this year. Does the figure of 10 cases mean that 10 individuals were involved?
Criminal Justice Committee Draft
Meeting date: 5 November 2025
Jamie Hepburn
Is that quantifiable? I realise that you probably cannot give me a figure now, but could you tell us the costs of policing anti-immigration protests and hotels? Could you tell us the costs of policing the proscription of Palestine Action by the UK Government and of operation roll 2? In addition, do you have information on the costs of policing violence associated with sporting events—primarily football? It would probably be helpful to understand that, too.