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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Delayed discharges: A symptom of the challenges facing health and social care” and “Community health and social care: Performance 2025”

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Colin Beattie

We have had 20 years—in my case, 15 years—of reassurances from you and your predecessors. Why should we believe that it is going to work this time? You paint a very rosy picture, but the report does not paint quite such a rosy picture. How can we get the reassurance that things are actually happening and we are moving in the correct direction?

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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Colin Beattie

I will move on to the timescales involved. Paragraph 9 of the report states:

“The SPPA did not meet its 1 April 2025 legislative deadline for providing affected members … with Remedy calculations and options”.

Paragraph 10 states:

“Following guidance from TPR, the agency provided ‘breach of law’ reports for the affected cohorts in May and June 2025”.

Will you give us a bit of background as to what a breach of law report is and explain what sort of consequences, if any, it has?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Colin Beattie

At this point, there have been no consequences for the SPPA, other than the formal issuing of the breach of law reports.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Colin Beattie

Have you had an opportunity to see the assumptions behind the original estimates about time? Did they seem reasonable?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Colin Beattie

Paragraph 12 of your report states:

“the SPPA’s Chief Executive wrote to the Scottish Government with a progress update and a request for additional funds over the medium-term period to deliver Remedy.”

In the bullet points that follow, you deal with different scenarios and you note that, in the worst case, it could be 2030 before this is resolved. What amount of additional funds did the SPPA request from the Scottish Government in September 2025 and what amount did it get? What was approved? Was the full amount received?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Colin Beattie

You know that for sure.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Colin Beattie

From what you have said, should I understand that the Pensions Regulator has a problem in dealing with you as a Scottish entity?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Delayed discharges: A symptom of the challenges facing health and social care” and “Community health and social care: Performance 2025”

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Colin Beattie

I am looking at what needs to happen with regard to delayed discharge. The Auditor General told the committee that the delayed discharge reflects a wider long-standing failure to shift the balance of care from hospitals to community settings. Since I have been on the committee, that has been the headline. Nothing has changed, and I have been sitting here for 15 years.

Malcolm Bell from the Accounts Commission told the committee:

“IJB reserves are being continually depleted, often to shore up day-to-day work”—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 21 January 2026; c 29.]

instead of doing what they should be doing, which is transforming the whole-service offering. Witnesses were clear that progress depends on clear leadership, stronger governance and firm accountability at both national and local levels, but none of that seems to have happened.

I say again: this is a repeat. The issue comes up every time that a report comes before the committee, but there is no movement. Why?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Delayed discharges: A symptom of the challenges facing health and social care” and “Community health and social care: Performance 2025”

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Colin Beattie

Is it correct, then—this is my interpretation of what you are saying to me—that you have moved away from the original concept of transferring resources from the secondary to the primary sector and are now looking to find other funds to go into the IJBs?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Best Value in policing: Joint Best Value audit of policing in Scotland”

Meeting date: 11 February 2026

Colin Beattie

I always look at voluntary redundancy—while it is, in a way, more humane—from a management point of view. You do not know who is going to apply, and, in the context of workforce planning, it becomes in itself a blunt instrument. You are getting rid of numbers, but what about skills, experience and so on?