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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 25 March 2026
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Employment and Skills for Recovery

Meeting date: 8 September 2021

Claire Baker

Does Nora Senior want to come in? Jamie Halcro Johnston suggested that you might want to comment.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Employment and Skills for Recovery

Meeting date: 8 September 2021

Claire Baker

I go back to Chris Brodie. I recently had a conversation with the Open University, which said that uptake of their courses had increased—it said that it had been quite encouraged by individuals looking to retrain and reskill. We are talking about a reluctance to invest, or a lack of recognition of the importance of investing, among businesses. I asked whether the infrastructure around this area is enough to support businesses, but is there also a cultural issue in Scotland around devaluing adult and lifelong learning? Have we lost that? From memory, that was a driving force when the Scottish Parliament was first established, but that seems to have slipped over the lifetime of the Parliament.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Employment and Skills for Recovery

Meeting date: 8 September 2021

Claire Baker

Our second item of business is an evidence session on employment and skills for recovery. I thank all the witnesses for joining us. I welcome Chris Brodie, director of regional skills planning and sector development, and Lisa Pattoni, service development manager, both from Skills Development Scotland; Nora Senior, chair of the Enterprise and Skills Strategic Board; and Mairi Spowage, director of the Fraser of Allander Institute.

Today’s evidence session will enable the committee to consider issues to do with business recovery, with a focus on employment and skills. The evidence will inform the committee’s input to the Scottish Government’s budget for 2022-23.

I will start the questioning. The paper from Skills Development Scotland says that

“job-related training in Scotland has steadily declined over the last 15 years”.

“Scotland’s Future Skills Action Plan” also makes that comment. I ask the witnesses from Skills Development Scotland to talk about the reasons why that has happened and where the responsibility for that decline lies.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Economic Recovery

Meeting date: 1 September 2021

Claire Baker

Before I call Gordon MacDonald, I note that four members still want to ask questions. I know that the conversation has been wide ranging, but I would appreciate it if people could keep their questions and answers concise.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 1 September 2021

Claire Baker

Good morning and welcome to the second meeting in 2021 of the Economy and Fair Work Committee. We have received apologies from Alexander Burnett.

I take this opportunity to congratulate former committee member Lorna Slater on her appointment as minister. I am sure that we will see her on the other side of the table at some point in the parliamentary session. I also welcome to the meeting Maggie Chapman MSP. Although not a full committee member, she is joining us for this morning’s evidence-taking session.

Agenda item 1 is a decision on taking business in private. Are members content to take items 4 and 5 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Economic Recovery

Meeting date: 1 September 2021

Claire Baker

I am sorry, Mr Smyth, but we are a bit pushed for time. Dave Moxham’s answer related to the next questions, which will be asked by Fiona Hyslop. I will hand over to her, and I am sure that she will cover the area that you were about to address.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Economic Recovery

Meeting date: 1 September 2021

Claire Baker

It appears that Dave Moxham has had to leave the committee early. You suggested that you would also like to hear from Carolyn Currie. We will close the session after that.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Economic Recovery

Meeting date: 1 September 2021

Claire Baker

Yes—if the responses could be concise, that would be helpful.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Economic Recovery

Meeting date: 1 September 2021

Claire Baker

Item 2 is an evidence-taking session on business recovery. I welcome to the meeting our panel of witnesses: Carolyn Currie, chief executive, Women’s Enterprise Scotland; Rose Marley, chief executive, Co-operatives UK; Barry McCulloch, head of policy, Federation of Small Businesses Scotland; Dave Moxham, deputy general secretary, Scottish Trades Union Congress; and Charandeep Singh BEM, deputy chief executive, Scottish Chambers of Commerce. Thank you for joining us this morning. The aim of the session is to consider the economic recovery of Scottish businesses and to inform the committee’s input to the Scottish Government’s budget for 2022-23.

I will start with a question for Barry McCulloch and Charandeep Singh. Obviously we have come through a very difficult time for Scotland’s economy and businesses. Although the restrictions of the pandemic are easing, making it easier for some businesses to operate, the pandemic is expected to have quite a long tail and some sectors and regions will continue to find things difficult over the next length of time. Barry, can you give us an idea of which sectors and regions will continue to need prioritised support?

Barry, can you pause for a minute? We cannot hear you.

I will move to Charandeep Singh just now, and then come back to Barry McCulloch.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Economic Recovery

Meeting date: 1 September 2021

Claire Baker

I am afraid that we appear to have another technical issue. We can—