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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 4 September 2025
George Adam
Good morning. I understand where you are coming from, because I know how much the cenotaph in Paisley means to the community. Equally, we have a religious covenanters memorial and a memorial to the 1820 insurrection martyrs. I will not ask you another question about that issue, because you have answered and said that you are willing to look at the issue at stage 2 if people bring in suggestions along those lines.
I want to turn to the deterrence aspect. There might be some who are minded to desecrate a memorial for a political or personal reason in order to get a point across. If they believe that they will not get a 10-year sentence or end up in the jail, they might not be deterred, and the bill might give them a bigger platform. How do you feel about that?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 4 September 2025
George Adam
I am not being cynical—well, I am cynical—but the point is that someone who has made the decision to do something will see sheriff courts as better for them than a smaller court, because they will get a bigger platform, more newspaper coverage and more people listening to what they have to say and do. If they do not fear the sentence at the other side, that is a bit of an issue. I will not labour the point, but we can discuss it as the bill progresses.
My other point is this: will those who are here today supporting your bill not be disappointed by the suggestion that, although the bill says that there is a potential 10-year sentence, such a sentence is unlikely to be given out?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 4 September 2025
George Adam
I get that.
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 26 June 2025
George Adam
That is nonsense.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 25 June 2025
George Adam
For issues such as the student recruitment position, you do not know where you will finally land in any one year until bums start arriving on seats in September. There is an issue around the predictability of international student numbers. As I have said, we felt that we had made appropriate allowance by looking at 25 per cent with the 35 per cent downturn. Obviously, when the numbers started to come through, it was much more than that.
It appears that, in the sector more generally, some types of institutions ended up suffering more than others in that environment. Often, we are talking about institutions that are not in big metropolitan centres and which are non-Russell group. In that regard, whatever the opposite of a sweet spot is, we were in that place.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 25 June 2025
George Adam
There is no smoking gun, but there is a trigger moment. How did you not reach the point at which you knew that it was not right and was not going the right way sooner? You are an experienced individual and have been there a long time.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 25 June 2025
George Adam
Dr McGeorge, with the greatest respect, you nearly tanked one of the oldest universities in Scotland. I do not understand how people like you can get yourselves into that position with all the checks and mechanisms that there are. Surely there is something that you are not telling us that was the issue.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 25 June 2025
George Adam
Perhaps this question is for Mr Fotheringham more than anyone else. Part of the unrealistic budgets was the betterment gimmickry. In essence, those were fictitious cost reductions. Surely, when you went through the management accounts, you would notice that those reductions were not happening. In financial year 2024, £8 million of betterment was never realised. In financial year 2025, it was £23.3 million. The average business in the real world would not get away with fakery like that. How did you, as a public organisation, get to that stage?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 25 June 2025
George Adam
When I first saw the Gillies report, I tried to find a smoking gun—when did it all start going wrong? However, there is no smoking gun. It is just a systematic failure at every point.
When you look at the collapse, you see that it is largely internal. There is poor financial judgment and failure to act in real time on clear warning signs. There are overly optimistic budgeting assumptions and weak internal controls. There is a lack of transparency and ineffective oversight by the university court and the executive. To me, those are the basics. How did you get to the stage where you ended up in a perfect storm?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 25 June 2025
George Adam
Apart from that, the term “betterment” itself would have rang alarm bells for me. That is just me being cynical—that is my personality. I am thinking of the whole idea that £8 million was not realised in the financial year 2024, and the figure was £23.3 million in financial year 2025, when the deficit at that stage was about £30 million.