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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Murdo Fraser

Let me follow that up. I do not know whether you heard the previous panel, but the FSB is very exercised by the procurement issue, and said that it wants the bill to be strengthened, not to specify targets but to put an obligation on local councils to set targets to increase the amount of spend that goes to local businesses or small businesses. What is your view on that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Product Regulation and Metrology Bill (UK Parliament Legislation)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Murdo Fraser

I have one more question about scrutiny. Mechanisms in the bill for the scrutiny of decisions taken by UK ministers are, of course, a matter for the UK Parliament. How will decisions that will be made by the Scottish ministers—for example to grant or withhold consent—be scrutinised?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Murdo Fraser

Good morning. I want to broaden the discussion out a little and look at other aspects. The committee has heard a lot of evidence about the value of community wealth building and the opportunities that it provides. Some of that have been discussed already, but the purpose of this session is to scrutinise the bill. One of the questions that we have to ask is whether the bill does enough or whether there are things that are not currently in it that should be.

I will start with Stacey Dingwall, because the FSB’s submission talks a lot about the opportunities for using procurement spend to support local businesses. What would you like to see in the bill that is not currently in it and would be helpful?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Murdo Fraser

All right.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Product Regulation and Metrology Bill (UK Parliament Legislation)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Murdo Fraser

I will be more specific. The amendment that you referred to says that the consent of the Scottish ministers would be required. Does that, in effect, give the Scottish ministers a right of veto over regulation changes that would apply to the whole of the UK?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Murdo Fraser

Good morning. A few weeks ago, Clackmannanshire Council told us about some of the work that it is doing in this area, and I am aware that different councils will be at different stages with all of this. We have also heard from many witnesses about the value of community wealth building and a lot of what the bill aims to achieve. However, this committee has to look at the bill that is before us and what difference it will make.

What difference does COSLA think that the bill will make? To an extent, you have already answered that in your responses to Michelle Thomson’s questions, but do you think that there are things that need to go into the bill to strengthen it, or is it your view that the less interference from Scottish Government the better, and therefore you are quite happy with it as it is?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Murdo Fraser

I have one more question, which I have asked other witness panels. Is there anything that is not in the bill that you want added to it?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Murdo Fraser

You are saying that it would not be appropriate to amend the bill so that it includes specific targets. However, we could oblige local authorities that have drawn up action plans to set a target themselves. That might be a way around the problem.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Murdo Fraser

I go back to Matt Pearce to answer my original question.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Product Regulation and Metrology Bill (UK Parliament Legislation)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Murdo Fraser

Good morning, minister. Following on from the deputy convener’s questions, I want to understand the practical impact of the bill being passed. The context is clearly that, under the United Kingdom Internal Market Act 2020, the UK Government has the overriding objective of ensuring the free flow of products around the UK. You have told us that the consent of Scottish Government ministers would be required for any changes. How does that interact with the UK Government’s ambition to ensure that standards apply on the same basis around the UK?