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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform and Christie Commission

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Douglas Lumsden

At the end of the day, it is money that often creates barriers and silos, so we are back to the point about the shift in resources. During the pandemic, there was a lot more flexibility. People said, “We’ll worry about the cash later—let’s just look after our communities.”

I hate to even think about this, but I wonder whether there could be a service level agreement in place between the NHS and local authorities, for example. When you were talking about youth justice, I was trying to think of some examples. If local authorities could spend more on youth justice, there would probably be savings for the police and in other justice areas in the future. If local authorities could spend more on sports facilities, there could be a reduction in obesity, and savings for the NHS. Is there a way of linking outcomes to the organisations that spend money on early interventions, so that there is a balance?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

Douglas Lumsden

Is that the same with housing, for example? I think that there is a 20 per cent cut—£205 million. Has the money been allocated to another department for it to spend on housing instead?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

Douglas Lumsden

We might look at that and think initially that it is a cut to the housing budget, but it is not really that. Money has been allocated to another department to spend on that area.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform and Christie Commission

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

Douglas Lumsden

To go back to Daniel Johnson’s earlier comment about the different boundaries that exist, given that there are 14 health boards and 32 local authorities, do we have any hope of success without real structural change? Do we just have to bite the bullet and agree that we need a big overhaul of public services across the board?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

Douglas Lumsden

My next question concerns education and skills. I refer to page 43 of the papers.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

Douglas Lumsden

So there is no overall reduction in the amount of funding for education and skills. Is that correct?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

Douglas Lumsden

Therefore, when we see an increase of £724 million and the proposed budget going up by only £473 million, that does not mean that the NHS has been short-changed by a quarter of a billion pounds; rather, the money is simply being spent by other departments almost on behalf of the health and social care department. Is that correct?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

Douglas Lumsden (North East Scotland) (Con)

My first question follows on from one of the convener’s questions on the £40 million extra for local government. I think that you said that that was just being given to local government for it to spend as it wishes. Last week or the week before, a pay settlement was proposed—I think that it was reported as being worth about £30 million. Is that additional money that will go to local government or will it have to come out of the £40 million that has been allocated in the budget revision?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

Douglas Lumsden

Has the £40 million been allocated to local government already? Do local authorities have it in their accounts?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

Douglas Lumsden

I am just looking at the overall proposed change from the original budget of £448 million to £299 million.