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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Michael Marra

I am afraid that we have already asked—the committee has had members of the Funding Council in front of it—and clarity was not forthcoming.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Michael Marra

In that case, I will turn to progress on governance, which various members have touched on. One of the first recommendations in the Gillies report was about the presentation of financial reports to court. The convener has already touched on the lack of transparency in that respect, and you are going to reflect on that. Do you feel that sufficient financial information is now being presented to court?

I will take Mr Hamill first on that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Michael Marra

Do ministers and their advisers understand that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Michael Marra

I welcome that assurance.

On the issue of borrowing, we have talked about capital availability, which has been a significant concern of ministers and their advisers in my discussions with them. They want to see quick access to borrowing. Can you give a timeframe for that, Mr Hamill?

It is heartening for me to hear that you are having those conversations, and I am sure that ministers will be heartened given their focus on the issue, but what is the timescale given the on-going concerns, financial tests and EBITDA requirements? Might commercial lending be available to meet the capital requirements, so that you can stop cutting jobs in order to pay for them?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Michael Marra

I will come back to the Funding Council. I can tell you that I have been asking for a meeting with the minister with responsibility for colleges and higher education since he was appointed, but I have yet to get a response. I am really concerned that the matter is not commanding more of the minister’s attention. I will leave that point there.

I turn to the Funding Council. I have conversations all the time with university staff who get in touch about different issues, and I had one yesterday with two members of staff who are still completely unclear as to the status of the plan. The committee will perhaps have been given a little more clarity about it today. Will there be a plan? Will we see a published plan, or will we not?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Michael Marra

Is that the £12 million, initially? Will you give us the quantum for that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Michael Marra

Okay, that is useful to know.

You will have seen reports of turmoil in the Scottish Funding Council. There have been board meetings where there has been uproar about what is happening at Dundee and particularly about how exposed the Scottish Funding Council is. I have two questions on that. First, given what you have described, is the SFC autonomous from the Government?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Michael Marra

Is the Scottish Funding Council competent to deal with this issue, particularly given the fire that is running through the sector?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Michael Marra

Secondly, you mentioned earlier that the proposal was put forward by yourself, but there did not appear to be any analysis of that—there was just a letter that came back in response. Do you think that the Funding Council scrutinised the proposal, or was that a political response?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Michael Marra

I will close with this point, convener. In the conversations that I have with staff, they tell me that, from day to day, many things are not working in the institution. As people will understand, when you take out the number of staff that the university has done, both through the voluntary severance scheme and through people resigning from key posts, grants do not get signed off and approval cannot be got for posts or expenditure in different areas.

You have talked a little bit about this already, Professor Seaton. Given that level of change, is there any way in which people can be heard? When people tell me about not being able to get those critical decisions pushed through in an institution—and, as some have told me, this is about the wages that they get in their bank accounts and about grants that are not being signed off but which are sitting on executive-level desks instead—is there any way in which I can raise that directly? Given the turmoil, is there any means that you can create internally—or any problem-solving, star-chamber approach that you can take—to ensure that those things get sorted in order to make the organisation work?