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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 7 October 2025
Michael Marra
That is very useful, and I find myself strongly agreeing with your analysis. However, the issue that we are looking at is the design of the tax. As you have eloquently described it, it is one leg on a stool. I am trying to explore how effective that leg will be in supporting a better system.
If we were designing a tax to prevent poor practice, would it not be better for us to tie the tax in perpetuity to the people who have developed the building, rather than seeing it levied at a point of exchange?
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 7 October 2025
Michael Marra
Thank you for your evidence so far, Mr McGuire. I put on record my involvement in the Eljamel inquiry, as a representative of one of the victims.
You mentioned different categories of inquiry—a bricks-and-mortar inquiry, a service-failure inquiry and so on. Would something approaching a standardised model of operation for an inquiry help with the setting up of inquiries and address your concerns about the initial drafting of the terms of reference requiring significant amendment?
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 7 October 2025
Michael Marra
That is fair. Could I venture a slight categorisation of that, in relation to the need for quick lessons to be learned? We are told that we are still highly vulnerable to another pandemic, but, as the convener referenced, the inquiries will roll on for years and years. Setting the expense issue to the side, I worry that we will not learn the lessons in time to do something differently. Is that not a concern? We have talked a lot about money, but is the issue not how long it takes for all such inquiries to have an impact on people?
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 7 October 2025
Michael Marra
Thank you.
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 7 October 2025
Michael Marra
That is very useful. The mechanism by which that stopped is that the use of the materials has been banned on buildings and, at the point of completion, an inspection for a completion certificate from the local council would examine those materials and check that they are not on the banned list. Is that correct, for the layperson?
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 7 October 2025
Michael Marra
I would tend to strongly agree with that. The evidence that we have had is that there is a cycle of defects. Substandard building practices that lead to safety concerns have emerged in cycles over the years. RAAC is probably the most prominent of those issues at the moment, certainly in my home city of Dundee, in Aberdeen and in other parts of Scotland.
I am not sure how the tax would drive culture change in the industry. As much as the issue might require revenue, we might have to recognise that the tax, in the way that it is designed, is not necessarily going to make people change their behaviour as builders.
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 7 October 2025
Michael Marra
I agree that that is very challenging. I am exploring the principle of how we can ensure that we change the behaviour, within the marketplace, of people who are developers.
I come to the issue of pace. In October 2024, Scottish Government officials told the committee that the single building assessment programme, which establishes what cladding remediation work is required, is expected to
“take around 10 years ... to complete.”—[Official Report, Finance and Public Administration Committee, 29 October 2024; c 17.]
That is just for the assessment programme to find out what is required. Is that an acceptable amount of time, given the state that we are in, eight years on from Grenfell?
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 7 October 2025
Michael Marra
Mr Henderson, eight years post emergency, we are looking at another 10 years before we know the extent of the problem. That cannot be acceptable, can it?
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 7 October 2025
Michael Marra
As of August this year, 600 expressions of interest have been made to the cladding remediation programme, but there has been work on only two buildings in Scotland. Given the scale of the emergency that you have both described, you cannot think that that is acceptable, can you?
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 7 October 2025
Michael Marra
Mr Drummond?