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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 26 February 2026
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Obviously, it is important that the committee takes the right evidence and ensures that it puts forward the right actions to the Scottish Government. Therefore, it would be good to hear from each of you one thing—I am sure that there are many, but I am asking for only one—that you would like us to take forward from today’s evidence. It might be something that you have experienced in your organisation that we could ask the Scottish Government for to make the process a bit easier for neurodivergent people—especially victims—or to ensure that they are listened to and that a proper service is provided. If you could each give me just one suggestion, that would be great.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Does anybody else want to come in?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you for those responses. I will come back to Superintendent Gallie, as something is worrying me. I am hearing from you about all the good stuff that is happening, which is good news. However, if you cannot identify those markers, and you do not collect that data, how will you know who needs that help, and how will you know to put those services in place?

In addition, when you pass information on to the Crown Office, what information are you passing on? If you are not collecting the data on whether a person has a disability or needs further help, is it—if I may use these words—a guessing game? I know that sometimes people will not tell the police; sometimes you have to ask. I am a bit worried about how information is passed on. Is it just basically the luck of the draw, where if you see something, you pass it on? You do not collect that information, and if you do not collect it, we will not have the data in the Parliament to understand how much help your services need. It is about both sides. Perhaps you can give me a bit more clarity on that. If you are not collecting the data, how do you know?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I am a member of the Scottish Parliament for the West Scotland region, from the Conservative Party. I am also a member of the committee.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

It is interesting that you say that, because ethnicity and disability are the two things that I brought up around data collection in my bill on domestic abuse. It is so important that we know first hand what is happening; you can then have the services. Jenny Miller is right: how can you have services in place if you do not know what the data is? Thank you—this has been really helpful.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I thank you all for the information that you have provided so far. Neurodivergent individuals, including those with autism, ADHD or learning disabilities, are between two and three times more likely to experience domestic abuse. Reports suggest that up to 84 per cent may experience violence in their lives. Unfortunately, disability status is not recorded by Police Scotland when domestic abuse incidents are reported. As you might be aware, I had introduced a member’s bill—the Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill—that would have required authorities to record the information, but, unfortunately, the First Minister’s refusal to back my bill meant that I had to withdraw it.

Taking into account that that data is not collected, what systems are in place to identify neurodivergent people during different stages of the criminal justice process, especially women who are victims of horrendous crimes such as domestic abuse? I hope that most of you can answer that, so I will open it up, but perhaps Laura Buchan can start.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

John, do you have something to say? If not, that is fine.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Good morning. I am a Scottish Conservative Party MSP for the West Scotland region.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I have one more follow-on question. Earlier, we spoke about a postcode lottery and the regional differences between rural and urban areas. I want to touch on diverse communities. Much earlier in our evidence sessions, we had a lady in who spoke about being from a black, Asian and minority ethnic background. Coming from a BAME background myself, I obviously know people who have autism. Sometimes, it is very hard for families—I am sure that this happens in many families and not just those from a BAME background—to accept that there is an issue or a need for support or help. Do you have any data or information about how you would work around that? It could end up being a postcode lottery, because how people from some BAME backgrounds might be spoken to or asked certain questions is culturally sensitive. How do you work around that? Is there a postcode lottery and are there differences?