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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 27 February 2026
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Pam Gosal

Thank you, Cathy. Victor Madrigal-Borloz spoke about how the bill will bring lead to a process of legal recognition that is quick and widely available.

Do you perceive any ripple effects in the future from having more numbers coming through and having a process that is easier to access? Will it have more of an effect on other groups, whether they are minority religious groups or other groups? Do you forecast anything coming up that will open up more issues or around people sounding off about their concerns in relation to the bill?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Pam Gosal

Thank you, Cathy. Victor—do you have anything to add on that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Pam Gosal

Is there anything that you want to add, Dr Dietz?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Pam Gosal

Let me be very clear, Peter—I am in no way saying that it is trans people who are these bad-faith actors. Unfortunately there are such people out there—it is not the trans people. I am focusing on this, because people have asked the question. People might say that they are trans and use that, which is absolutely wrong, and these bad-faith actors might end up thinking that, if they have the GRC, they have something that they can use to go into these places. That is why I am asking about safeguards to ensure that we do not let these people in and that we are fair. In no way am I saying that any trans people are like that.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Pam Gosal

If you have any information on how we can balance those rights, it would be great for the committee to see it. It is about having that balance and respecting both sets of rights. From what we have heard, there are people who are feeling that, so we must make sure that we can achieve a balance. If there is anything that you can send to the committee, it would be very welcome.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Pam Gosal

Naomi Cunningham, can you touch on women of faith and on religion? You probably know that the committee has discussed that. How do we ensure that those women do not feel excluded, for example in a swimming pool changing room? Are we going backwards? Please stop me if I am not allowed to say this, but we heard in a private session that people may not want to go into changing rooms and may decide just to shop online in case someone else is there. How do we ensure that everyone is included and not excluded? Can you say a little about that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Pam Gosal

Good morning, David, and thank you for your opening statement. The Royal College of General Practitioners in Scotland submitted written evidence in which it talked about

“current IT systems which do not accommodate for transgender and non-binary patients in relation to referrals and screening. For example, a trans male cannot be referred for a cervical smear or to a gynaecology clinic if they are recorded as male in the practice database, despite still having female reproductive organs.”

With an anticipated inflation in the number of GRC applications, do you have any concerns about decoupling of the legal and medical aspects of gender reassignment?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Pam Gosal

Will you also say a little about minority groups?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Pam Gosal

You have said that more work needs to be done. Is that in line with the bill being introduced?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Pam Gosal

Basically, more work has to be done. With the bill having been introduced, has that been identified? I have mentioned that there could be more people coming forward, so we have to ensure the readiness of our systems and databases for that.