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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 28 February 2026
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I have one more question, which is on a different topic.

I was contacted by a black, Asian and minority ethnic women’s organisation—I will not mention the name. As you know, a lot of work is being done and there are a lot of issues around domestic violence, which you talked about earlier. The group contacted me to say that funding has been cut and that not all organisations get fair funding. Some of those organisations deliver in areas that the Government cannot reach. I have seen that myself in going out to those communities.

Is there anything that you can highlight in that regard? I will have a meeting with that organisation and come back to you, but is there any issue that you are aware of? Last week, funding from the Government for some BAME communities was suddenly cut and that organisation now has funding issues.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

It is to do with violence and equality.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I would welcome your looking at that because, obviously, Scotland is so diverse, with many people from different countries. Not everybody can speak the English language, and it is important that the Scottish Parliament sets an example of being accessible to all, including those who do not speak English or understand how budget setting is done.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you for that response, minister. Obviously, the committee listens to the evidence that comes before us, and that evidence was given to us last year. You know that I am a big supporter of women, just as many people in the Parliament are, so I probed Angela O’Hagan just last week on that issue, which was brought up last year, and she made it very clear. If you get a chance to listen to her response, you will hear that it was very articulate and quite detailed. I hope that the minister welcomes that and will speak to Angela O’Hagan and Susan McKellar to see what the issues are.

Even though I said at the beginning of this session that I welcome the work that you are doing, if those people are voicing concerns in committee and if we are the people’s Parliament, as you said, we really need to listen to them and consider why they think that women have not been listened to.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 24 January 2023

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I have a wee supplementary question on that. In a previous evidence session, Susan McKellar spoke about the Scottish Women’s Convention being involved in budget talks with the finance minister. She revealed that women’s organisations had asked to be involved in more depth but were told “no” because of the constraints around the budget timetable. I know that you have talked about the gender stuff, but are you satisfied that women were heard and included in the budget-setting process?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 24 January 2023

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you for that. I do not know whether anyone else wants to come in.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 24 January 2023

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you for that information. It is good to have all that context, but to go back to the actual question, did you think that the budget met the gender budgeting standard?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 24 January 2023

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Good morning. Thank you for all the information that you have provided so far.

My question follows on from what Pam Duncan-Glancy asked. In oral evidence, the Scottish Women’s Budget Group said that a focus on gender equality was important, alongside a participative approach to identifying areas for preventative spend or policy. The Scottish Women’s Convention noted that improving rights through gender budgeting would improve other aspects of human rights, such as child poverty. Do you feel that the budget meets the gender budgeting standards? Could you provide details as to why that is or is not the case? That question is for Professor O’Hagan.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 24 January 2023

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Right, I thought that.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 19 December 2022

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you, Victor. To add to that question, I highlight that the Muslim Council of Scotland has written a letter to the Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice, Housing and Local Government, in which it states:

“For Muslims, where protected single sex spaces are a religious requirement for ablution and prayer and for access to a range of services and leisure opportunities, this proposed legislation risks undermining a range of their human rights, by opening access to legal masqueraders.”

At the same time, the Scottish Association of Mosques wrote to the cabinet secretary, stating:

“This Bill would potentially give access to female only spaces and services, including critical safe spaces for girls under 16, to men who have self-declared their gender, including at places where women and girls are most vulnerable. This creates a clear safeguarding issue.”

Those organisations represent thousands of Muslims in Scotland. In your opinion, are they wrong to hold those concerns? Could you please tell the committee what analysis you have undertaken of the impact of the bill on women of faith and their access to and/or self-exclusion from single-sex services and spaces?

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