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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 27 February 2026
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I will certainly put that to the Government.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Cabinet secretary, I have a question. You may have been listening when I said to Emma Congreve that I would ask about something that came up with the first witness panel. It is good to hear that progress is being made and you have acknowledged that there are gaps and cracks that must be looked at and addressed, but I find it shocking for any Government nowadays to have no accountability.

I am not saying that the Government has no direct accountability—of course it does—but we hear organisations and witnesses asking about that. We heard earlier that large sums of money leave the Scottish Government, which means that sufficient evaluation is needed, but Emma told us earlier that she does not know who is accountable. Money goes out from the Scottish Government and into local authorities and may go on from there into the private sector or into charitable or other organisations. Where does the accountability lie? Where is the leadership and transparency?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

That was going to be my last question. Will you follow up to see where the comments have come from and why they are being made, from top to bottom, to see what is happening, where it is happening and where the cracks are appearing?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

My question might have been answered, so you might be lucky, but it would be good to hear a little bit more about it.

Last week, we had a private meeting at which people from the whole family equality project spoke about money being wasted year after year because no multiyear budgeting was in place. The organisation said that, sometimes, when money is given out to a programme, it takes a whole year to get familiar with the programme, set it up and work at it and then, before you know it, in the second year, the money disappears.

It was highlighted that we should ask you about that, cabinet secretary. Do you agree that we need to have multiyear budget settlements? I think that I heard you say earlier that you are implementing multiyear budgeting. Is that right? Could you tell me a little more about that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you very much.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Good morning everyone. I am a Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party member of the Scottish Parliament for West Scotland.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Minister, before I turn to the cabinet secretary, I want to touch on what you have said. It is good to hear about the key three outcomes. “Policy”, “strategy” and “outcomes” are great words in a document, but what are you doing on the ground to ensure that women are not placed at a disadvantage, especially when it comes to employment? What is happening on the ground out there? How are we helping those women get into employment? What are we doing around care, housing and so on to do that? That work will not be in a silo; a number of departments will have to work with you on that. I am sure that women out there who are listening to this will want to hear what the Scottish Government is doing to help them get back into—or stay in—work.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thanks for that response. You gave a lot of information there, but I want to go back to that last point. Although we welcome a lot of powers being given to local authorities, it is important for you to give an answer to Emma Congreve directly but also to everybody who is listening—and I am sorry to be so direct, but it is important—because this is taxpayers’ money. At our workshops last week and this week, we heard a lot about the different areas where people think that money spent could be more transparent and accountable. When it comes to human rights budgeting, who is accountable for ensuring that the money goes down that golden thread? Is it leadership, or is it people all the way down?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you for clarifying that.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

You said at the beginning that progress has been made. However, we have highlighted quite a lot of issues today, which we also spoke about last week in our private session. The system is clearly broken somewhere; there are cracks in the system that the Government needs to look at. That is why we are scrutinising the issue today—otherwise, we would not be here.

Today, we have heard that there are numerous issues with connections and accountability. It is for the Government to ensure that the leadership is there, but, as we have heard, that should flow right down to the councils. In what areas has progress been made with the Government? What is being done wrong? If the Government has made progress, why are we scrutinising the situation?