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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 27 February 2026
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Parliament Gender-sensitive Audit

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I was going to say good morning, but it is the afternoon already, so good afternoon. I thank the witnesses for their opening statements and all the information that they have provided so far.

My question is on candidate lists. What action are you taking to ensure that women candidates are included in electable positions on party lists? Obviously, diversity is important, as I well know as one of the first women of colour and the first Indian woman to come into the Scottish Parliament. However, we all need to ensure that selections are based on merit and that women are placed on party lists because they would make an excellent elected official.

From personal experience, I can say that I would never have wanted my party to have selected me because of the colour of my skin or because of any other category that I was placed in. I would always have wanted to have been selected and elected based on my ability.

How do your parties balance diversity and merit?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Parliament Gender-sensitive Audit

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you for all your opening statements. They contained really important information.

I want to go back to Talat Yaqoob’s point about merit. As one of the first women of colour, the first Sikh and the first Indian woman in the Scottish Parliament, I would never want to have been selected, just because I was a woman of colour. I would love to have been selected because I deserved to be—and I hope, and think, that that was the case; I had the experience and the talent, and the selection was merit based.

I have spoken to many people—I train a lot of BAME women—about whether this issue is about merit. To me, this is more about the opportunity being there, the policy being there and strategies being there with parties. You should never think that you should be number 1 or number 2 on a list, because you are of colour or because you are a woman. Therefore, I would like you to give me a little bit more information on that. Those are not only my personal views and experience, but the views of the BAME women whom I work with a lot.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Aarhus Convention

Meeting date: 12 November 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Good morning. I thank the witnesses for their opening statements. My question is about court fees. You have touched on how expensive Court of Session fees can be. The Aarhus convention compliance committee said that the court fee exemption should apply to other courts in Scotland and not just the Court of Session. What are your views on that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Aarhus Convention

Meeting date: 12 November 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

So, it is a very minor problem.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Aarhus Convention

Meeting date: 12 November 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Is there a timescale for when you will produce the paper and for the areas that it will cover?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Aarhus Convention

Meeting date: 12 November 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Yes.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Aarhus Convention

Meeting date: 12 November 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Good morning. Minister, can you indicate whether the legal aid reform will take place before the next Scottish Parliament election? If so, will that reform be targeted at certain areas of law, such as environmental law or reforms for survivors of sexual assault or rape?

Witnesses in the previous session this morning said that they would be surprised if there was any reform in the next 18 months, as they had heard only vague promises and nothing concrete. It would be good to get some clarity on that.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Aarhus Convention

Meeting date: 12 November 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you for that response. As nobody else wants to comment, I will go on to my supplementary question.

Transcripts of court cases can be very costly. The Scottish Government has launched a pilot to make transcripts free for survivors of rape or sexual assault. That idea was brought forward by rape survivor Ellie Wilson, who I worked closely with and who was forced to pay large sums of money to access court transcripts. Do you believe that scrapping transcript fees should be extended to other types of cases, including environmental cases?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you for that response, minister. We heard last week that when people are made homeless, a female may act differently from a male. Females may have relatives and friends to go to, and they may not sleep rough like a male would. That evidence came from witnesses. I want to ask about the cultural side of the issue. What if a BAME female becomes homeless? I know for certain that it would be completely different. Do you consider the cultural aspect of the issue? That is not captured in the characteristics, so how do you consider that? External agencies probably feed in on that.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Good morning, minister and officials. Last week, witnesses stressed the importance of collecting intersectional data. Will you please expand on how the Scottish Government uses qualitative data and data that is not collected directly by the Government to understand intersectional inequalities? For example, how does the Government use such data when it comes to inequalities related to gender and black, Asian and minority ethnic status?