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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 27 February 2026
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Learning Disabilities, Autism and Neurodivergence Bill

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Learning Disabilities, Autism and Neurodivergence Bill

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

What are your views on how the Scottish Government proposes to work with stakeholders and people with lived experience on developing draft bill provisions?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Learning Disabilities, Autism and Neurodivergence Bill

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Jamie Cooke, you mentioned the amount of consultation that you have been doing, and it is sad to see that the bill has not come forward after all the work that you have done. Does anyone want to add to that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Parliament Gender-sensitive Audit

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you for clarifying that. I also believe in access of opportunity.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Parliament Gender-sensitive Audit

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

You have spoken about collecting data and about the great research that you are doing. Thank you for that; it is important. How does collecting data improve the diversity of candidates for political parties? I know that you have touched on that but it would be good to hear a little more, because I hope that political parties are listening today and will hear about the benefits.

Cat Murphy, you spoke about some of that so would you like to start?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Parliament Gender-sensitive Audit

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you for those responses.

Rebecca, you have talked about leadership, and I want to touch on the issue of role models. We all know—certainly, I do—that, when you are growing up and you see someone in a certain position on television, in the street or wherever, it can make you think, “I want to be there. Why can’t I be there?” As I said, that is what happened with me. That is how you get the ambition to be there.

My party—the Conservative Party—has had three female Prime Ministers, four female leaders, including a BAME leader, and two female leaders in Scotland. What more can councillors, MSPs, MPs and parties do as role models to attract more people by saying to them, “You can be an MP, MSP or councillor, too”?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Parliament Gender-sensitive Audit

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Can I probe that a little? How do you balance merit with diversity? Having a quota is all well and good, but I hope I got elected because of my ability—perhaps I should ask my party director about that. It is important to look at both merit and diversity, so how do you balance that if you use a quota?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Parliament Gender-sensitive Audit

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Our previous panel of witnesses spoke about the importance of collecting data on the diversity of candidates. They meant collection by them as organisations, obviously, for research, but that is also important for you, as representatives of the parties. Do you support the idea that your party should collect and publish data on candidates?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Parliament Gender-sensitive Audit

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you, Talat. Cat, do you have anything to add?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Parliament Gender-sensitive Audit

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

You are right—you have to have a platform. I am very lucky: I am going to an ask her to stand event tonight, and then I will be having an interview with you next week. You are right that there are only two women of colour in the Parliament, and we cannot be everywhere, but we are quite fortunate in that we can be on certain platforms and can have that voice.

Do you not think, though, that it all comes back to being in leadership roles? As deputy chair of the Scottish Conservative Party, I know that, when I speak, I am going to speak for all those women of colour—that is what I am doing today for that minority group—but I am also speaking for all those women who are represented in a more merit-based system. Again, how important is leadership when it comes to these roles?