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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Russell Findlay

No problem.

Another issue is that the general direction of travel is to treat Scotland’s drugs problem—or drugs crisis—as a public health issue. As we know, however, a large number of serious organised criminals are making a lot of money out of the death of people across communities in Scotland and are inflicting violence on our streets. In one of the submissions that it made to the committee, the Crown Office lists a number of cases as examples of successful prosecutions against organised crime. One that stood out related to an individual who has not been identified—although it is apparent who it is just from googling—who has high-level links to organised crime, both in Scotland and overseas. The drugs that he was involved in had a multimillion-pound value. Ultimately, he was sentenced to eight years’ imprisonment, which means, realistically, that he could be out after as little as four years. He is not a problem drug user, and this is not a public health issue—he is a high-level organised criminal. I just wonder, Mr McGeehan and Mr Conway, whether you think that the courts truly understand what needs to be done in respect of those people, who are making so much money from drugs.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Russell Findlay

This is budgetary. It is on NDAs and it is for Mr Brown. Have you had any discussions with the police on the use of NDAs and how they can impact on budgets, or do you expect to?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Russell Findlay

Mr Gray, you said that non-disclosure agreements are mostly historical, but according to a media report this week, there have been seven in the past couple of years, all of which involved females—three officers, three civilians and one member of the public.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Russell Findlay

I have a quick follow-up question. If I understand correctly, in order to make radical changes to the structure, that would require political direction. On the basis of the structure as it is, do you have any thoughts about creating specialist legal provision to deal with what has been identified as a particular problem around domestic crimes?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Russell Findlay

I declare an interest, in that I am married to a serving police officer.

I thank our witnesses for coming. You have suggested that pay makes up something like 80 per cent of the overall budget. The previous pay award ran until April of this year, and I think that talks in respect of a new award are on-going—I think that there are to be talks tomorrow, in fact. If the award is agreed any time soon, it still would not happen until much before the end of the year, or, possibly sometime next year. What stage are the talks at? How confident are you of agreement? Given that officers have faced the pandemic and are now facing COP26—the 26th United Nations climate change conference of the parties—does that apparent delay not risk demoralising rank-and-file officers?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Russell Findlay

I would like to ask about Police Scotland’s use of non-disclosure agreements, which, for people who are not aware of them, are used in the payment of compensation deals to keep the details of those pay-outs secret or confidential. It has been reported that the value of such claims has breached £1 million since 2013, and that raises serious questions about transparency and accountability for public money.

Just today, we heard about a successful tribunal claim that was brought by a female police officer called Rhona Malone. Her career was destroyed by what was described as a “boys’ club” culture. She had been offered a settlement on the condition that she signed a non-disclosure agreement. Mr Gray, are such agreements compatible with good governance, public confidence and accountability?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Russell Findlay

That comes back to the question—

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Russell Findlay

Can I ask one question of the SPA?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Russell Findlay

I want to go back to the point about local firms competing for the same pot of money. We have heard previously from Scottish Women’s Aid about a lack of specialist solicitors in respect of offences in which women are victims. Is the direct employment of more solicitors by the board a likely direction of travel that will help to resolve that? Are you actively seeking to achieve that or—let us face it—are you up against the resistance of law firms and their lobby, who are pretty hostile to the idea?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Russell Findlay

[Inaudible.] completely incompatible with the offer that was put to Rhona Malone. Her case was one of sexual discrimination, and an NDA was used in an attempt to settle confidentially, so that the public would be unaware of what transpired.