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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Russell Findlay

That is interesting; thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Russell Findlay

Are those figures for financial years?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Russell Findlay

Do you just have to deal with those as part of your overall budget?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Russell Findlay

Good morning to you both, and welcome. I begin by echoing my colleague Jamie Greene’s opening comments.

The level of the backlog of criminal cases is startling and the figures that you have provided today really bring that home. There is perhaps a public perception that you work primarily or entirely on criminal cases, whereas you are also responsible for investigating a large number of deaths that are not homicides. The COPFS submission refers to a year-on-year increase from just under 11,000 death reports to almost 16,000, and many of those will be Covid deaths.

I have read about a Covid investigation unit, although I do not know whether it is called that or whether it is a stand-alone thing. Forgive me for my question being a bit woolly. Will you expand on the nature of that unit and the challenges, which I would guess are primarily financial, that arise from that huge increase in the numbers? Will you also say whether every Covid death merits the same type of investigation or whether it depends on the individual circumstances? That question perhaps drifts away from finance, but I suppose that it relates to the financial cost that Covid is bringing to the Crown.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Russell Findlay

Perhaps it is also fair to say that the budget for that unit is based on the entire budget and what the unit requires to do its job. There are not really stand-alone figures.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Russell Findlay

Okay. I have a final question on a different topic. Much has been said about the introduction of mobile phones and the cost of that. I do not have the figure in front of me but, off the top of my head, I think that it was £3 million or thereabouts. I understand that the private prisons chose a different model whereby they have phones that can be used communally attached to the wall and, as a result, they have not had the security issues that we have seen with the model that was adopted elsewhere.

Given that that money has been spent and the phones are in circulation, is there any discussion about perhaps phasing that out and moving towards the other, apparently more secure model?

Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Russell Findlay

Sure. I would be interested in knowing whether a stand-alone unit has the monitoring remit or whether it is put on to the divisions, which already have a lot of competing pressures and roles to fulfil.

Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Russell Findlay

I thank Peter Krykant, Becky Wood, Louise Stevenson and Natalie Logan MacLean for their testimonies, which were very moving. I express my condolences to Peter for his loss.

So far, much of our focus has been on what might be described as street-level drug use and drug dealing, but every single pill, rock or tenner bag comes from organised crime, and organised crime activities are estimated to cost the Scottish economy about £2 billion a year. That is a much-quoted figure, although I am not entirely sure where it comes from. According to the Crown Office’s submission to the committee, the value of proceeds of crime confiscation orders relating to drugs last year was about £1 million. It has long been said by many people who are involved in criminal justice that the Proceeds of Crime Act 2002 has failed and is failing. Mr McGeehan and Mr Conway, do you agree with that interpretation? What can be done to improve the targeting of those at the high end of organised crime?

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Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Russell Findlay

That is helpful.

I wonder whether Mr Conway would like to answer that point from the police perspective. Is the proceeds of crime legislation robust enough, or could it be improved?

Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Russell Findlay

According to a written submission to the committee, serious crime prevention orders, which I think were introduced in 2007, have been used on 70 occasions for those who have been convicted and on one occasion for someone who had not been convicted. Of those 70 who had the orders, 13 are now in the community and subject to monitoring. I presume that the other 57 will join them in due course. Does Police Scotland believe that it has sufficient resources to monitor those people effectively on their release?