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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 11 September 2024

Russell Findlay

That is confusing me. We have Lifelines, Vivup, a new occupational health contract, TRiM and pilot schemes in different parts of the force, so the picture seems a bit inconsistent—it is a bit of a patchwork quilt.

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 11 September 2024

Russell Findlay

In England and Wales, there are statutory inquests in such circumstances. My understanding is that none of the eight suicides that we spoke about has been the subject of a fatal accident inquiry and that, in some of those cases, there were potential contributory factors that related to workplace issues. I wonder whether there is a bit of a blind spot in respect of officers who have died in such circumstances. If there is no fatal accident inquiry, such issues could be missed and lessons not learned.

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 11 September 2024

Russell Findlay

On the issue of under-18s and assault, according to the SPA, it was decided that police cells are no longer appropriate places to keep under-18s. In a recent tragic case, the details of which I will not go into, someone was released from police custody and committed a serious crime. Do you feel that your hands are tied in respect of your inability to hold under-18s when they potentially pose a danger to officers and the public?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 11 September 2024

Russell Findlay

I mentioned that particular ruling because it was made by non-elected individuals. I do not know whether any communication was made to the committee or to Parliament more generally about that decision.

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 11 September 2024

Russell Findlay

In its submission to the committee, Police Scotland says that

“we take steps to ensure that welfare provisions are in place and that investigations are concluded as quickly as possible.”

Is that a fair assessment?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 11 September 2024

Russell Findlay

How many hours would one of your members typically work?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 11 September 2024

Russell Findlay

Without putting a number on it, are you saying that it would not be unusual for your members to work typically more than 40 hours a week?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 11 September 2024

Russell Findlay

My colleague Sharon Dowey mentioned officer numbers being at their lowest for 17 years. We have initiatives and new training, and there is goodwill from the top down to address the officer mental health issue that we are here to talk about. However, is it not the reality that a lot of that will count for nothing because of the increased pressures that officers will inevitably experience, and that you are effectively running to stand still?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 11 September 2024

Russell Findlay

It has not been annual.

We have heard a lot about the work that has been done and about initiatives that are taking place. In no particular order, there is your leadership matters, there are wellbeing champions, there is Police Care UK, act don’t react, timelines, Thrivewise, TRiM, Vivup and a new occupational health contract. That confuses me and I dare say that a front-line police officer will not have the time even to begin getting their head around what that all means. Is there not a danger that it is overly complicated and should be streamlined? What is your view?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 11 September 2024

Russell Findlay

I was going to ask about those two contracts because they are both new. Your submission does not say who is providing the occupational health contract. Do you know who that is?