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Social Justice and Social Security Committee
Meeting date: 30 September 2021
Neil Gray
Agenda item 2 is an evidence session on the draft Social Security (Advocacy Service Standards) (Scotland) Amendment Regulations 2021. As this is the committee’s first consideration of affirmative regulations, I will quickly summarise the process.
We will start with an evidence session with the minister, which will be followed by a formal debate on the motion. The minister will be given the opportunity to move the motion and to respond at the end of the debate. The committee will be asked to make a recommendation to Parliament on whether we consider that the regulations should be approved. That recommendation will be made via a report.
Before we begin, I thank the minister for sharing the draft amended advocacy service standards with the committee to allow us to make a more informed decision on the regulations that we are considering. I remind colleagues that the draft standards were shared in confidence. Therefore, I encourage members with any questions on the regulations to refer to the draft standards in general terms.
I again welcome to the meeting—his appearing before us is becoming a bit of a habit—Ben Macpherson, Minister for Social Security and Local Government, and Dr Ruari Sutherland, supporting access to social security team leader in the Government’s social security policy division. We are also joined, online, by Colin Armstrong, sponsorship and delivery manager in the social security policy division, and James Clelland, a solicitor in the Scottish Government legal directorate.
I invite the minister to make an opening statement on the regulations.
Social Justice and Social Security Committee
Meeting date: 30 September 2021
Neil Gray
As there are no more questions, we will move to agenda item 3, which is consideration of motion S6M-00996. I remind the committee that only members and the minister may take part in the formal debate.
I invite the minister to formally move the motion.
Social Justice and Social Security Committee
Meeting date: 30 September 2021
Neil Gray
Amendment 3, in the name of Maggie Chapman, is in a group on its own.
Social Justice and Social Security Committee
Meeting date: 30 September 2021
Neil Gray
I apologise to Evelyn Tweed and Miles Briggs. I said at the outset that I would call other members after the amendment had been moved and the minister had spoken to it, and then call the proposer of the lead amendment to wind up. I note that Ms Chapman said that she wished to withdraw the amendment; however, the debate had started. I now invite her to press or withdraw amendment 3.
Social Justice and Social Security Committee
Meeting date: 30 September 2021
Neil Gray
Thank you, minister. I appreciate your brevity.
10:45Social Justice and Social Security Committee
Meeting date: 30 September 2021
Neil Gray
Thank you, colleagues. That ends our stage 2 consideration of the bill. The deadline for stage 3 amendments is 12 noon on Monday 4 October, and we expect to consider stage 3 on Thursday 7 October.
I thank the minister, non-committee members and the minister’s officials for joining us this morning, and I briefly suspend the meeting before moving on to the next agenda item.
10:46 Meeting suspended.Social Justice and Social Security Committee
Meeting date: 30 September 2021
Neil Gray
Agenda item 5 is consideration of two Scottish statutory instruments under the negative procedure.
It might be helpful if I first clarify some procedural points. SSIs that are laid under the negative procedure come into force automatically unless the Parliament passes a motion to annul them or they are withdrawn by the Scottish Government. There is no procedure for amending such SSIs, and it is not possible for us to accept some parts of them but not others. The only way in which a committee member can prevent a negative SSI from coming into force is by lodging a motion to annul the instrument. That said, the committee can make recommendations for future changes to be brought forward through other instruments, or it can highlight any concerns that it might have to the Scottish Government.
The first set of regulations would allow large payments of arrears of devolved disability benefits to be paid in instalments to Scottish clients if consent is given by the clients. Further background information is outlined in paper 4.
If members have no comments, are we content simply to note the instrument?
Members indicated agreement.
Social Justice and Social Security Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2021
Neil Gray
That would be most helpful, cabinet secretary. Thank you.
We will stick with the theme of poverty and child poverty targets, and I will bring in Emma Roddick and then Marie McNair.
Social Justice and Social Security Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2021
Neil Gray
Thank you very much, cabinet secretary. Before I move on to the next set of questions, which will be led by Evelyn Tweed, I want to bring in Pam Duncan-Glancy.
Social Justice and Social Security Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2021
Neil Gray
That is lovely. Thank you, cabinet secretary.