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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Karen Adam

We will move to questions from Maggie Chapman.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Karen Adam

That brings our first session to a close. I thank all our witnesses for attending.

I will suspend the meeting briefly to allow a changeover of witnesses.

10:41 Meeting suspended.  

 

10:45 On resuming—  

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Karen Adam

We are going to move on to discuss part 2 of the bill. However, before we do that, what is your opinion on the fact that part of the bill amends the Education Act 1980, which is a UK act, and it will not be possible to challenge a breach of the amendments under the 2024 act, as the bill only covers acts of the Scottish Parliament? What is your view on whether part 1 of the bill achieves its objective of complying with the UNCRC, as well as providing coherence and clarity of the process for withdrawal from religious observance and religious and moral education? Do you have any further thoughts on that approach?

10:15  

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Karen Adam

I appreciate the dry and technical nature of the points that the witnesses have made today, but it is important that we get them on the record. I say to Gina Wilson that, if she wants to send us the amendments that she referred to, we would appreciate it, as it would allow us to understand where those views are coming from. We have a fantastic team at the Scottish Parliament that supports MSPs in understanding any legalese and helping us to make headway on these things.

We now have questions from Marie McNair, who joins us remotely.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Karen Adam

Good morning, and welcome to the 21st meeting in 2025, in session 6, of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee. Agenda item 1 is our first evidence session on the Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill. We will hear from three panels of witnesses.

I welcome our first panel. We are joined in the room by the Rev Stephen Allison, public engagement co-ordinator at the Free Church of Scotland; Claire Benton-Evans, provincial youth co-ordinator at the Scottish Episcopal Church; Barbara Coupar, director of the Scottish Catholic Education Centre; and the Rev Stephen Miller, co-ordinator of the education and schools group at the Church of Scotland. We are joined remotely by Leah Rivka, research and publications officer at the Jewish Council of Scotland. You are all very welcome.

We will now turn to questions from members. If you would like to respond to a question or any point that is raised, please indicate that to me. Leah, if you wish to come in, please type R in the chat and the clerks will bring that to my attention.

I will kick off with the first question, which is for everyone. What is your experience of how the right to withdraw from religious observance and religious and moral education currently works in schools?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Karen Adam

Leah Rivka has indicated that she would like to come in as well.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Karen Adam

We now have questions from Maggie Chapman.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Karen Adam

Thank you for that clarification.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Karen Adam

That concludes the evidence session. I thank the witnesses for their participation. We will suspend the meeting briefly to allow for a change of witnesses.

10:48 Meeting suspended.  

10:53 On resuming—  

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Karen Adam

I welcome to the meeting our third panel of witnesses. We are joined in person by Dr Conor Hill and Melissa Murray, both of whom are lecturers in law at Glasgow Caledonian University; Professor Angela O’Hagan, chair, and Caitlin Fitzgerald, legal and policy co-ordinator, UNCRC, from the Scottish Human Rights Commission; and Professor Elaine Sutherland, a member of the child and family law sub-committee of the Law Society of Scotland. We are also joined online by Rachel Fox, senior policy advisor, UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, the United Kingdom Committee for UNICEF—UNICEF UK.

We will go straight to questions. Please indicate if you would like to respond to any questions or if you have any points that you would like to raise. Rachel, if you want to come in, please type R in the chat function and the clerks will bring that to my attention.

I will kick off by asking, first of all, about your experience with regard to the right to withdraw from religious and moral education and religious observance. Perhaps Professor Sutherland can start.